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  Dottie Thomas Sept 18, 1922 - Jan 9, 2015

  by JeffT in

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  i was in the house with her for all of the last week of her life.

  she went quietly and peacefully and had people that cared a lot for her around at the end.

  she and dad touched a lot of lives in very positive ways.

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  Sorry for your loss jeff.
  
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  NEW LIGHT FROM SLO CIRCUIT OVERSEER "Warning, Blood on Doorposts", "The Couple who Missed One Meeting Died With Their Kids, Don't Miss Any!

  by Trailer Park Pioneer in

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  sorry, i messed up before i could put the right title on this new light from our circuit overseer, his visit show's a great desperation in the organization's mindset, adding more anxiety and guilt to jws who already feel they don't measure up!.

  hi, i attended the circuit overseers visit and got really angry because our c.o.

  gave information coming from the governing body's chief apologists regarding "meeting attendance" and "the couple who missed one meeting and lost their entire family because they did not get the "411" when armageddon was coming!

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  CO's have been through the mind press.  They get away with saying almost anything because of the way the elder bodys deal with them and vice versa.  Now more "power" has been given to them.  They can pretty much say anything.

  Even if this was scripted.....which is very possible.....it fits into the current narrative.

  Letting your kid go to college?  Get ready for him to accept evolution, your wife to leave you, and then you leave God and are doomed.

  Not serious enough to be an MS at 23?  Well the pretty girls can do better, you are essentially a looser, good luck getting a woman to marry you or have sex with you at some point.

  Missing the occasional meeting?  Well, if you think its cool to slow down your service right at the end, possibly miss life saving information, which then causes you to ipso facto kill your children.....then by all means!

  
  

  These people are insane.

  
  
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  ...all the More so as You Behold That Day Drawing Near

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  when i was a jw we had a 60 minute public talk - interval - 60 minute wt study.

  60 minutes on a tuesday and 2 hours on a thursday.

  apparently every single meeting was essential.. we also had to get to 2 circuit assemblies every year that consisted of friday evening, morning, afternoon and evening on a sat and morning and afternoon on a sunday.

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  Cofy, I think the spin would be thusly.

  Define "gathering".  Family bible study is the new loving arrangement made by the governing body as we realize the all out assault on families being made by Satan in his desperation.  It is the most important and intimate of "gathering together" is it not?  How about the new annual meeting and zone visits that can now be enjoyed by all.   Are not they too gatherings?  Every day in the ministry is an opportunity to gather together in praise to Jehovah.

  Therefore, it is reaosnable to conclude that in these last days, the slave has recognized and responded to the admonition to gather yourselves together, all the moreso...

  
  

  I think I threw up in my mouth a little while writing this.

  
  
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  Is Watchtower's stance against education only for North American witnesses

  by wannaexit in

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  i was reading on a european ex jw forum where some feel that watchtower's railing against higher education is primarily for north america issue.

  this is due that many in usa and canada leave home to leave on campus.

  it was mentioned that many young european jw attend universities and its not frowned on.. i found this odd because i heard what morris and losch said about education in italy.

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  I was thinking what Billy said.  Part of it is the going away....but MOST of it is the teaching to think for themselves. Fostering that ole "independent spirit" if you will.
  

  In listening to Tomo tight pants rant on JW.org, he specifically mentioned countries where education is free.  this could also refer to scandinavian countries such as Sweden and Finland.  Largely secular societies where university is paid for.  Almost asll JW's attend, and numbers in those countries are stagnant.

  Ther eis only one JW culture.  But it is filtered through the culture of whatever nation its beng practiced in.  JW's in Latin America are alot more catholic-ish in their dealing with elders.  alot more heavy handed machismo.

  JW's in Sweden seem to be fairly progressive, making sure they attend university and are pragmatic for the future.

  
  

  But the society is rooted in American culture, so it expresses itself in an American way.  College......not good.
  
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  If the Watchtower Society was given a cheque for 1 million dollars would they cash it ?

  by Esse quam videri in

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  2. scandals

  if the watchtower society received an envelope containing a cheque for 1 million dollars, made out to the society, along with a letter explaining that the money was won from gambling, either casino or lottery, .

  1] would they cash it?.

  2] if they did not cash it but rather returned to sender, what explanation would they give?.

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  "unrighteous riches".......someone already nailed it.  Yes they would cash it.  No worries.

  I heard an old story that the society refused to cash a check for 250K that was sent to them by Michael Jackson.  even back then I was like.....yeah right.
  
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  WTS leader rants against higher education

  by hoser in

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  on jw tv.

  anthony morris is ranting against higher education.

  he is blaming parents for enrolling their kids in college.

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  Oops....another one.

  "We will NOT need doctors and lawyers after Armageddon......but we WILL need carpenters, plumbers, and similar construction trades."
  
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  WTS leader rants against higher education

  by hoser in

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  on jw tv.

  anthony morris is ranting against higher education.

  he is blaming parents for enrolling their kids in college.

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  My favorites...."Young people ask yourself......WHY...am I considering further education?"

  "Pressure from the system to think you will leave a better life?"

  
  

  "I have often said.....the better the university.....the greater the danger!"    9:50
  
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  Do current JWs like to have Bible discussions?

  by Magnum in

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  2. beliefs

  on another thread rufus t. firefly made this interesting comment:.

  my wife is a "zealous" regular pioneer who never talks about the bible or "the truth" and who has no interest in conducting a bible study with anyone.

  this is how one remains a jw.. i decided to start a new thread to discuss this, since i didn't want to veer completely off the topic of the original thread.. i can relate to what rufus said - not concerning my wife, but other close jw family members.

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  Just my 2 cents based on my own experience.  I am a thirty-something, and most of my friends are the same age more or less.  I think there are a few catagories these people fall into that helps explain what you have noticed.

  1)  Believe its "the truth"....but.....meh. - These are the ones that were raised in it and came back later, that had kids and felt like they shoud raise them in the hall.  The ones that go to meetings, don't study, show up for social events, can't explain a damn thing, and would get defensive if you attacked their faith.  They probably wouldn't shun you in private if you were disfellowshipped.  They won't discuss "spiritual things" outside of the hall.  They don't comment.

  2)  Status workers - This includes the serve where the need is great, but really just live near a beach in Peru, class.  They do stuff, like join the RBC, go to another country, because its fun and gives a sense of community.  Quick to tell others about their exploits, they usually do so because its impressive to the group back home.  these people will talk about events, more than actual biblical matters.  This can also include (and usually does), young elders, workers in construction that volunteer, people that go to international conventions, people that attend whatever special school is the hot topic, etc...
  

  3)  Faders - Yep.....this is a group now.  Fading wether they know it or not.  the truely apathetic, in their heart know it is a pile of nonsense but go anyways because of family, class.  Not eager to talk about anything "spiritual".

  4)  True believers - There are still some.  People that had been in it forever.   My mother for example.  Her only regret in life besides her son leaving, is that she couldn't serve shoulder to shoulder with Christs brothers sooner in life.  An attack on the GB is an attack on God to them, without them ever putting that together.  EVERYTHING somehow relates back to the end, the new world or whatever.  Plane crashes?  Their families should know about seeing their loved ones again.  I hope none of our brothers were on the plane.  Gas prices down and economy on the rebound?  The world is lulling people into a false sense of security. You can't win.  Don't try.

  5)  Everyone else - Generally normal people giving over their minds.  The congregation is a social structure, and they like it.  Nothing wrong with that, and they probably won't bring up anything bioblically related because they aren't that interested.

  
  

  On a side note, we have had lots of people visit us recently from other places in the world.  ONLY when there is a lull in NORMAL conversation, is the default......so what the ministry like here.....or what did you think of last weeks WT?  ONLY........when the conversation dies.  Speaking about doctrine is simply impossible because only one viewpoint is allowed.  ANY deviation from that viewpoint no matter how benign creates an uncomfortable conversation almost immediately. 
  

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  VOW OF OBEDIENCE AND POVERTY

  by Coded Logic in

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  2. scandals

  i didn't know the wtbts had an order.

  anyone ever heard of the "order of full time servants" aka "the order" within the jehovah's witnesses?.

  (below is a legal document from the wtbts).

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  Let me add, the religious order of JW's, also most likely includes CO's, and special pioneers given a stipend by the branch and that respond to their direction.  this is not new.
  
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  VOW OF OBEDIENCE AND POVERTY

  by Coded Logic in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i didn't know the wtbts had an order.

  anyone ever heard of the "order of full time servants" aka "the order" within the jehovah's witnesses?.

  (below is a legal document from the wtbts).

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  Oh jeez.  Not these two again.

  If I'm not mistaken, this was something you used to sign (or similar to it), if you joined the ranks of bethel.  Something probably similar with circuit overseers. 

  I remember reading something similar when I was maybe 20 years old (a fair amount ago now but not quite double).

  It uses some odd language but then again.....we are talking about Jehovahs Witnesses right?  Mountain out of a molehill here in my opinion.  No special order exists, only the constant diatribe that if you sacrifice enough of your time and life....you are somehow special.  Language notwithstanding...the "order" is Bethel.